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03/11/2019 01:20 PM House RESOURCES

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01:24:09 PM Confirmation Hearing(s):|| Board of Game
02:05:43 PM Big Game Commercial Services Board
02:40:06 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 11, 2019                                                                                         
                           1:23 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Lincoln, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Geran Tarr, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Grier Hopkins, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Ivy Spohnholz                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                    
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Jerry Burnett - Juneau                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Jason Bunch - Kodiak                                                                                                       
     Alfred Thomas Harris - Anchorage                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JERRY BURNETT, Appointee                                                                                                        
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Boards and Advisory Committees                                                                                                  
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SAM ROHRER, President                                                                                                           
Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                                                                         
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified  in   support   during   the                                                             
confirmation hearing of Jerry Burnett,  appointee to the Board of                                                               
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Resident Hunters of Alaska                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified  in   support   during   the                                                             
confirmation hearing of Jerry Burnett,  appointee to the Board of                                                               
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RON SOMERVILLE, Spokesperson                                                                                                    
Territorial Sportsmen                                                                                                           
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified  in   support   during   the                                                             
confirmation hearing of Jerry Burnett,  appointee to the Board of                                                               
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JASON BUNCH, Appointee                                                                                                          
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                              
Division of Corporations, Business, and Professional Licensing                                                                  
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Big  Game                                                             
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SAM ROHRER, President                                                                                                           
Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                                                                         
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified  in   support   during   the                                                             
confirmation hearing  of Jason Bunch,  appointee to the  Big Game                                                               
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, President                                                                                                        
Resident Hunters of Alaska                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified  in   support   during   the                                                             
confirmation hearing  of Jason Bunch,  appointee to the  Big Game                                                               
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ALFRED THOMAS HARRIS, Appointee                                                                                                 
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                              
Division of Corporations, Business, and Professional Licensing                                                                  
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Big  Game                                                             
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, President                                                                                                        
Resident Hunters of Alaska                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified  in   support   during   the                                                             
confirmation hearing  of Alfred  Thomas Harris, appointee  to the                                                               
Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:23:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GERAN   TARR  called   the  House   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  1:23 p.m.  Representatives Hannan,                                                               
Talerico, Spohnholz,  Rasmussen, Hopkins, Lincoln, and  Tarr were                                                               
present at the call to  order.  Representatives Tuck and Rauscher                                                               
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                       
^Board of Game                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                  
                         Board of Game                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:24:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  announced the first  order of business would  be a                                                               
confirmation hearing  for Jerry  Burnett, appointee to  the Board                                                               
of Game.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:25:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY  BURNETT,  Appointee,  Board  of  Game  (BOG),  Boards  and                                                               
Advisory Committees,  Alaska Department of Fish  and Game (ADFG),                                                               
informed the  committee he was appointed  to BOG on 2/22/19.   He                                                               
gave a brief  personal history that included  fishing and hunting                                                               
beginning at  an early  age and  continuing throughout  his life.                                                               
Mr. Burnett  has been  a resident  of Juneau  since 1981  and has                                                               
worked in a  variety of positions including 12 years  as staff at                                                               
the Alaska  State Legislature and  15 years as a  director and/or                                                               
deputy  commissioner  for  the  Murkowski,  Palin,  Parnell,  and                                                               
Walker administrations; he retired  as the deputy commissioner of                                                               
the Department of  Revenue in 2017.  He and  his wife now operate                                                               
a fishing  charter business.   Mr. Burnett listed his  many years                                                               
of  service  to  the  Alaska   Outdoor  Council  and  Territorial                                                               
Sportsmen, and  authoring comments and  proposals to BOG  and the                                                               
Board of Fisheries  (BOF) related to access to  federal lands and                                                               
land  use.   He  also  noted  he  is  familiar with  hearing  and                                                               
considering public comment and  testimony before making decisions                                                               
and adopting regulations.  Mr.  Burnett described the role of BOG                                                               
within  the  framework  of  the  Alaska  State  Constitution  and                                                               
expressed his belief in his qualifications as a board member.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:29:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR said  Mr. Burnett  was appointed  to a  three-year                                                               
term,  and read  the  following  statement [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The board  consists of seven  members appointed  by the                                                                    
     Governor; appointed on the basis  of interest in public                                                                    
     affairs, good judgement, knowledge,  and ability in the                                                                    
     field  of action  of  the  board, and  with  a view  to                                                                    
     providing diversity  of interest and points  of view in                                                                    
     the  membership.   Members shall  be  residents of  the                                                                    
     state,   appointed   without    regard   to   political                                                                    
     affiliation  or  geographical  location  of  residence;                                                                    
     commissioner of the Department of  Fish and Game is not                                                                    
     a member, but serves as ex-officio secretary.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT clarified  he was  appointed [2/22/19]  to a  vacant                                                               
position and his term will expire 6/30/21.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR listed the current BOG roster.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  asked  for  Mr.  Burnett's  view  of  the                                                               
potential concession  guide program that is  intended to generate                                                               
additional revenue  from the commercial  guiding industry  to the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT acknowledged  guiding  is an  important business  in                                                               
Alaska;  the  U.S.  Forest Service  (USFS),  U.S.  Department  of                                                               
Agriculture, issues guide concessions  on national forest land as                                                               
do other  federal agencies.   Without an opportunity  for further                                                               
review,  he  declined  to  comment.     In  further  response  to                                                               
Representative  Hannan, he  said  there is  always potential  for                                                               
conflict between guided and unguided hunters on public land.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:32:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR asked  what viewpoints  should  be represented  on                                                               
BOG:  consumptive, non-consumptive, tourists, residents, or non-                                                                
residents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT opined  all sitting  board  members are  consumptive                                                               
users, and  everyone is a  non-consumptive user; for  example, in                                                               
his experience as  a tour operator, tourists who  catch fish also                                                               
enjoy wildlife viewing.  He  said the board benefits from members                                                               
with a  diversity of interests  and backgrounds,  not necessarily                                                               
just from members who are dedicated to any specific use.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LINCOLN  asked Mr.  Burnett to predict  "the top  two or                                                               
three conflicts" that would come before the board.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT said  typically there  are  conflicts between  local                                                               
residents and  nonlocal residents  related to hunting  areas, and                                                               
conflicts   related   to   allocations  between   residents   and                                                               
nonresidents.  Further,  an upcoming issue before the  board is a                                                               
proposal to  allocate more  Kodiak Island  brown bear  permits to                                                               
residents than to nonresidents.   Also, there is controversy over                                                               
how the Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADFG) counts moose.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LINCOLN asked:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     With  regards to  the local  nonlocal and  resident and                                                                    
     nonresident, could  you just describe  your perspective                                                                    
     on, do you  have a general ... position on  that, or is                                                                    
     your point  of view,  does it vary  from others  on the                                                                    
     board already?                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT stated  he was  unsure of  the other  board members'                                                               
opinions; generally, regarding animals  used for meat, his stance                                                               
favors local  consumptive use,  also considering  other interests                                                               
such  as  commercial  interests,  and the  interests  of  private                                                               
property owners.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK asked about the  role of guide concessions in                                                               
[conflicts  related to  allocations between  local residents  and                                                               
nonresidents].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:37:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT  said  each  situation   differs  in  that  game  is                                                               
sometimes less  important as a  food source than as  a commercial                                                               
activity, due to access and economics.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR directed attention  to ADFG's budget and questioned                                                               
the role  of BOG to ensure  ADFG has the resources  to fulfil its                                                               
mission.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT  advised most of  the budget for  wildlife management                                                               
is  sourced from  license  fees and  federal  matching funds;  in                                                               
fact, in his  experience, there has been  legislation - supported                                                               
by  user  organizations  -  for  increased  hunting  and  fishing                                                               
license  fees  to  ensure  adequate  funding.    The  board  must                                                               
advocate for the department in all cases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked Mr.  Burnett about his knowledge of                                                               
[the Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae (M.  ovi) virus affecting] domestic                                                               
sheep, wild sheep, Dall sheep, and goats.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT  explained  diseases  brought  in  from  Outside  or                                                               
transferred from domestic  sheep or goats to  wild populations is                                                               
a  matter for  ADFG and  the  Office of  the State  Veterinarian,                                                               
Department  of Environmental  Conservation.   Although unsure  of                                                               
specifics or  best management processes,  he said he is  aware of                                                               
the concern.   In fact, an issue coming before  BOG is related to                                                               
mule deer and  white-tailed deer coming into the  state and there                                                               
is an upcoming proposal to ensure carcasses are tracked by ADFG.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   TARR   recalled   a  working   group   addressed   the                                                               
aforementioned  issue and  found  that the  transmission [of  the                                                               
virus] was not from domestic sheep  and goats, but that the virus                                                               
was endemic to the Alaska population.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked about BOG's meeting schedule.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT provided BOG's meeting schedule.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN   observed  BOG  has  two   more  upcoming                                                               
vacancies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO opined  the [regional advisory committees                                                               
established by the Joint Board  of Fisheries and Game] process is                                                               
very  important to  the Interior  and asked  whether Mr.  Burnett                                                               
agreed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT said yes.  He  then pointed out there are 84 advisory                                                               
committees  that  review  every  proposal before  BOG,  thus  the                                                               
committees are part of the essential public process.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LINCOLN  asked for  Mr. Burnett's  view of  predator, or                                                               
other species, population control.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BURNETT  advised   currently,  Alaska   has  an   intensive                                                               
management law  to guide BOG and  ADFG in predator control;  in a                                                               
conflict  over the  allocation for  game species,  for which  the                                                               
primary use is  food for human consumption, he  favors human use.                                                               
Therefore, predator  control is  required "at  some time  in some                                                               
areas,  otherwise you're  going  to lose  your prey  population";                                                               
although   the  issue   can  be   politically-charged,  [predator                                                               
control] is necessary in some cases.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LINCOLN related  in the Northwest Arctic  there has been                                                               
an increase in bear and  wolf populations that impact caribou and                                                               
moose.    In fact,  an  increase  in  the beaver  population  has                                                               
impacted  fish spawning  habitat in  Selawik.   He suggested  the                                                               
issue of population control is not limited to predator control.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK reported  biologists believe  the best  time                                                               
for aerial wolf  hunting is in spring;  however, ADFG contractors                                                               
prefer to hunt wolves in fall.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT said  understanding the  issue reflects  the purpose                                                               
and  cost of  the  action:   [wolf] coats  are  more valuable  to                                                               
harvesters in fall, but spring is  a more efficient time to hunt.                                                               
He  deferred to  ADFG in  this matter.   In  further response  to                                                               
Representative  Tuck, he  clarified BOG  would have  an influence                                                               
[on  predator   control  decisions],   but  more   important  are                                                               
"commercial interests and  what can work with  the department and                                                               
what they need to do."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  surmised  certain decisions  are  dependent                                                               
upon  commercial  interests  versus  what  biologists  recommend,                                                               
which  is if  wolves are  taken  in fall  there is  a chance  the                                                               
population will recover  and thus the resulting  program would be                                                               
more costly.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT  made clear  he  did  not  intend  to say  the  only                                                               
consideration  is for  commercial interests;  however, there  may                                                               
need to  be a balance in  terms of cost and  efficiency.  Without                                                               
specifics, he declined further comment.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  returned to  the question of  allocation and                                                               
asked for  an example  of [hunting]  that may  be too  costly for                                                               
local residents.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT posited  if  an  [air taxi]  flight  is required  to                                                               
access  a food  source, that  is not  necessarily a  practical or                                                               
economical  way  to  harvest  meat for  the  table.    Therefore,                                                               
[hunting in a certain area] may  be allocated instead to a trophy                                                               
hunt.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK remarked:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     So,  wouldn't the  market determine  that? ...  I would                                                                    
     think  that there're  Alaska residents  that enjoy  the                                                                    
     meat,  as well  as do  it  for fun  and adventure,  and                                                                    
     wouldn't mind going  out to some of  those places, even                                                                    
     though  it might  cost a  little bit  more than  to buy                                                                    
     steak off the shelf.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:51:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN  asked why  Mr. Burnett wishes  to serve                                                               
on BOG.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT  responded he has  a longtime interest in  BOG issues                                                               
and after retiring  from state government in 2017,  he would like                                                               
to continue his public service to Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  opened  public   testimony  on  the  confirmation                                                               
hearing of Jerry Burnett.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:53:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM ROHRER,  President, Alaska Professional  Hunters Association,                                                               
expressed his organization's support  of the appointment of Jerry                                                               
Burnett.  He  said Mr. Burnett has a long  history of involvement                                                               
with fish and wildlife issues in  the state at the local advisory                                                               
committee  level,   and  is  a  lifelong   hunter  and  fisherman                                                               
committed  to ensuring  Alaskans  have access  to  fish and  game                                                               
resources.   Also,  Mr.  Burnett's  wide professional  experience                                                               
would be a positive influence on his service on BOG.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR returned  attention to  the upcoming  issue before                                                               
BOG related to  brown bear permits, that are limited  to local or                                                               
nonlocal residents, and asked about Mr. Burnett's role.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROHRER  acknowledged there  are  several  proposals that  he                                                               
believes will have  a negative effect on  the economic activities                                                               
in his  community and on  his personal livelihood;  however, APHA                                                               
does not support an appointee on  the basis of one specific issue                                                               
but supports those who are openminded and fair.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:56:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK),  informed the  committee RHAK  represents 2,000  Alaskans                                                               
who support a  resident hunting priority.   Mr. Richards referred                                                               
to  written testimony  provided  in the  committee packet  [dated                                                               
3/13/19], in  support of  the appointment  of Jerry  Burnett, and                                                               
stated he and  the board of directors of RHAK  are very impressed                                                               
with  Mr.  Burnett's  qualifications.    Further,  Mr.  Burnett's                                                               
testimony today  has shown he  is well-prepared for  upcoming BOG                                                               
meetings.   Regarding the guide concession  program, Mr. Richards                                                               
reported $2.1 million in federal  receipt authority designated to                                                               
establish   the  proposed   guide  concession   program  is   not                                                               
available;  therefore, RHAK  recommends the  Big Game  Commercial                                                               
Services Board  and BOG  undertake "those  issues that  are under                                                               
their authority."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:58:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RON  SOMERVILLE,  Spokesperson, Territorial  Sportsmen,  informed                                                               
the committee Territorial Sportsmen  is a local sportsmen's group                                                               
that   has  sponsored   $1.7  million   in   local  high   school                                                               
scholarships.   He noted Mr.  Burnett has participated  in events                                                               
that  have helped  local communities,  and Territorial  Sportsmen                                                               
supports  his  appointment.    Mr.  Somerville  pointed  out  Mr.                                                               
Burnett has experience in legislative  matters as staff, and as a                                                               
member of the  administration, which he said would  be helpful to                                                               
other members  of the board when  determining legislative intent.                                                               
Further, Mr. Burnett is an  advocate for state's rights who would                                                               
be  a fair  arbiter of  differing  viewpoints, and  he urged  the                                                               
committee to support Mr. Burnett's appointment.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:01:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR,  after  ascertaining  no one  further  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:01:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LINCOLN paraphrased from the following statement:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  House Resources  Standing  Committee has  reviewed                                                                    
     the qualifications  of the governor's  appointee, Jerry                                                                    
     Burnett, to the  Board of Game and  recommends his name                                                                    
     be  forwarded to  a  joint  session for  consideration.                                                                    
     This does not  reflect intent by any of  the members to                                                                    
     vote for or against  this individual during any further                                                                    
     sessions for the purpose of confirmation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:02:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
^Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                             
               Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:05:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR announced  the  next order  of  business would  be                                                               
confirmation  hearings   for  Jason  Bunch  and   [Alfred  Thomas                                                               
Harris], appointees  to the Big  Game Commercial  Services Board.                                                               
She paraphrased  from the  following written  statement [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The terms  for the  Big Game Commercial  Services Board                                                                    
     are  four years;  the board  consists of  nine members,                                                                    
     eight are  appointed by the  governor; two  members who                                                                    
     are licensed  registered guide-outfitters;  two members                                                                    
     who are licensed transporters; one  member of the Board                                                                    
     of Game  chosen by the Board  of Game and who  does not                                                                    
     hold  a guide  or  transport license;  two members  who                                                                    
     represent  private   landholders  affected   by  guided                                                                    
     hunting or  transportation activities and  services and                                                                    
     do not hold a license  under this board, and two public                                                                    
     members.    The  function:    The  board  licenses  and                                                                    
     regulates  the activities  of  providers of  commercial                                                                    
     services to  big game  hunters in  the interest  of the                                                                    
     state's  wildlife resources.    Meetings  are at  least                                                                    
     twice annually.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:07:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON BUNCH, Appointee, Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                      
(BGCSB), Division of Corporations, Business, and Professional                                                                   
Licensing,   Department  of   Commerce,   Community  &   Economic                                                               
Development, informed  the committee  he is a  retired helicopter                                                               
rescue swimmer  for the U.S.  Coast Guard and a  21-year resident                                                               
of  Kodiak where  he lives  with his  family.   Last year  he was                                                               
appointed to  fill a vacant  registered guide seat on  BGCSB, and                                                               
he reviewed some  of the board's successes during  the last year:                                                               
working  with   licensees,  eliminated  a  $1   million  deficit;                                                               
completed a  rewrite of the registered  guide outfitter licensing                                                               
exam;  worked  with land  managers,  Alaska  State Troopers,  and                                                               
licensees  to  draft,  adopt, and  clarify  position  statements;                                                               
reviewed statutes and  regulations that may need  to be adjusted;                                                               
continue  to review  regulations  for  clarity and  efficiencies;                                                               
review violations that  require board action.  Mr.  Bunch said in                                                               
his  experience in  USCG, he  was  part of  a professional  group                                                               
serving a maritime environment, and  he would like to continue to                                                               
serve Alaska,  promoting the  guide industry  as a  respected and                                                               
professional occupation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK recognized Mr. Bunch  for his USCG service in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  expressed  her  understanding  the  state                                                               
could improve  its economic return  by establishing  a concession                                                               
program for commercial guides that would increase revenue.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUNCH  stated his  support for a  concession program  for big                                                               
game guiding in Alaska.  He said  he is a [U.S. Fish and Wildlife                                                               
Service, Department  of the  Interior, national  wildlife] refuge                                                               
permit  holder, as  well  as a  Department  of Natural  Resources                                                               
(DNR)  permit  holder,  and   thus  understands  the  differences                                                               
between the two licenses.   Further, his experience with the U.S.                                                               
Forest Service  (USFS), Department of Agriculture,  on concession                                                               
policies, and his  personal knowledge of land  use permits, leads                                                               
him  to support  a  concession  program within  DNR.   Mr.  Bunch                                                               
offered  to submit  written testimony  explaining  the "pros  and                                                               
cons" of a DNR concession program.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  indicated Mr. Bunch's  written testimony  would be                                                               
distributed to the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Although not stated on the  record, the committee treated public                                                               
testimony  on the  appointment of  Jason  Bunch to  the Big  Game                                                               
Commercial Services Board open.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:12:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM  ROHRER, President,  Alaska Professional  Hunters Association                                                               
(APHA), stated  APHA's strong  recommendation to  reconfirm Jason                                                               
Bunch  to BGCSB.    Mr.  Rohrer said  subsequent  to Mr.  Bunch's                                                               
appointment to a  vacant seat on the board last  year, he quickly                                                               
familiarized himself  with all board functions  and processes and                                                               
worked tirelessly on  behalf of the board.   Further, in addition                                                               
to his  extensive knowledge  of the  guiding industry,  Mr. Bunch                                                               
seeks  information  from  others  when  necessary.    Mr.  Rohrer                                                               
remarked, "You will not find a  harder worker than Mr. Bunch, bar                                                               
none ...."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK),  informed the  committee RHAK  represents 2,000  Alaskans                                                               
who support a resident hunting  priority.  Mr. Richards expressed                                                               
RHAK's strong  support of Jason  Bunch's reappointment  to BGCSB.                                                               
He acknowledged  that although RHAK  and Mr. Bunch  may disagree,                                                               
Mr. Bunch maintains  professionalism and is a great  asset to the                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  ascertained no  one further  wished to  testify on                                                               
the appointment of Jason Bunch.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:15:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALFRED   THOMAS    HARRIS,   Appointee,   BGCSB,    Division   of                                                               
Corporations, Business,  and Professional Licensing,  DCCED, said                                                               
he  is  [an appointee  to  the  BGCSB seat  representing  private                                                               
landowners].   Mr.  Harris informed  the committee  he is  Alaska                                                               
Native  from  the community  of  Saxman,  and descends  from  the                                                               
Tongass  Tribe and  Richard Harris,  co-founder of  Juneau.   Mr.                                                               
Harris serves as  CEO of Knikatnu, Inc.,  the village corporation                                                               
for the Knik/Wasilla area, and serves  as a director for the Cape                                                               
Fox Corporation, the Alaska Native  Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA)                                                               
village corporation for  Saxman.  He gave a brief  history of his                                                               
previous service  on boards  and his  experience as  president of                                                               
Alaska Village  Initiatives (AVI), a federally  created Community                                                               
Enterprise  Development  Corporation  of ANCSA  corporations  and                                                               
Tribes, that  seeks to pursue  the economic development  goals of                                                               
achieving food  and energy security  from corporation  and Tribal                                                               
land  in  rural  communities.     Mr.  Harris  reported  wildlife                                                               
resources  in Alaska  have diminished;  in 2001  [according to  a                                                               
document  provided in  the  committee  packet entitled,  "Grazing                                                               
Wildlife  Production  by  State],  more  wildlife  was  harvested                                                               
within 50 miles of Washington,  DC, than was harvested in Alaska.                                                               
Alaska Village Initiatives  works to reverse this  trend by using                                                               
federal  funds,  as  other  states  have done.    He  said  rural                                                               
communities  and the  commercial guiding  industry have  suffered                                                               
from depleted resources, even though  federal funds are available                                                               
to restore resources and habitat.   Further, AVI seeks to partner                                                               
with the  guiding industry and  local communities in  this effort                                                               
as  a  completing,  not  a   competing  interest.    He  directed                                                               
attention to additional documents  and written testimony provided                                                               
in the committee packet.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked for more  information as to how the                                                               
relationship between  private landowners, the state,  and the big                                                               
game guiding industry affects the loss of wildlife.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS  advised Alaska may  be the  only state that  does not                                                               
have a formal recognition of  the private landowner as a critical                                                               
partner in  the restoration  of wildlife  resources.   He pointed                                                               
out the  national budget  for the  purpose of  habitat protection                                                               
and renewal exceeds  $5 billion, of which  through 2008, Alaska's                                                               
landowners  received less  than  one-tenth of  1  percent of  the                                                               
national average.  During  the Hammond Administration [1974-1982]                                                               
the wildlife harvest  for the Kenai Peninsula ranged  from 700 to                                                               
2,400 moose; in  2012, said harvest dropped to 66  moose.  Alaska                                                               
Village  Initiatives  seeks  to  reverse  this  trend  through  a                                                               
process called Tribal Conservation  Districts (TCDs), a federally                                                               
recognized  and  acknowledged  relationship  to  provide  federal                                                               
funding for the restoration of resources.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:20:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR asked  Mr. Harris to connect  his testimony related                                                               
to his  work at the  Native corporations with his  appointment to                                                               
BGCSB; she pointed out the board would not seek federal funding.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HARRIS further  explained TCDs  have existed  throughout the                                                               
Lower 48 for 40 years and  currently there are 23 TCDs in Alaska.                                                               
Ideally, TCDs operate in partnership  with states as completing -                                                               
not  competing  - interests;  in  other  states, TCDs  work  with                                                               
departments of  fish and  game and  wildlife habitat  to identify                                                               
areas  of  concern, on  and  off,  private  land.   He  described                                                               
restoration   procedures   occurring   in   Washington,   Oregon,                                                               
California, and  Idaho that  are critical  to the  restoration of                                                               
salmon species in rivers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR restated her question.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS  said [the state]  must create more  wildlife habitat;                                                               
currently,  Alaska is  suffering from  a depleted  resource which                                                               
means it  must manage its habitat  on public and private  land to                                                               
abundance for the benefit of  the commercial guiding industry; in                                                               
fact, in  the Lower 48 "private  landowners are in net  export of                                                               
wildlife  to public  lands  because of  the  abundance that  they                                                               
produce."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  recalled at the Annual  Invasive Species Workshop,                                                               
Tyonek  reported establishing  a  TCD; she  surmised Mr.  Harris'                                                               
interest  [in  serving on  BGCSB]  is  in  support of  a  guiding                                                               
industry  that accommodates  residents and  nonresidents, and  an                                                               
understanding of  the connection  between habitat on  private and                                                               
public land.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:24:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HARRIS stated  he assisted  in the  creation of  the TCD  in                                                               
Tyonek, which was  the first in Alaska.   His previous experience                                                               
in  Texas and  New  Mexico revealed  those  states support  their                                                               
wildlife  industries and  welcome opportunities  for concessions;                                                               
AVI does not regard TCDs as  private ownership of wildlife by the                                                               
private landowner, but of the  ownership of wildlife habitat that                                                               
benefits  wildlife   production.    Tyonek  restored   its  moose                                                               
population  through  a  brief  [bear  predator  control]  program                                                               
facilitated by ADFG.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HANNAN    observed   most   deer    hunting   in                                                               
Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia  occurs on private land; she                                                               
questioned  whether  a  private landowner  who  receives  federal                                                               
money for  private habitat enhancement  could restrict  who hunts                                                               
on their  land -  unlike in  most of  Alaska -  which may  be the                                                               
reason Alaska has not pursued habitat enhancement funding.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS advised  the harvest rate per acre  in Pennsylvania is                                                               
100  times  over that  of  Alaska.   He  credited  Pennsylvania's                                                               
increased harvest  to a partnership  with private  landowners who                                                               
were  encouraged to  create green  zones and  habitat management;                                                               
although  the  state  controls wildlife  management,  it  rewards                                                               
private  landowners  in  order to  benefit  the  landowners,  the                                                               
guides,  and  the visiting  hunters.    Currently, Alaska  has  a                                                               
budget  shortfall of  $1.4 billion-$1.6  billion; [his  proposal]                                                               
presents an  opportunity to grow  a wildlife resource  to benefit                                                               
residents by restoring resources  to traditional levels in Tyonek                                                               
and other areas.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked whether Tyonek  [Native] Corporation                                                               
allows  non-shareholders to  hunt on  their land  and, if  so, at                                                               
what cost.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HARRIS recalled  AVI  and ADFG  facilitated  a program  that                                                               
brought wounded warriors to the  TCD in Tyonek, who helped create                                                               
a  green zone  around the  village  to protect  the village  from                                                               
aggressive bears.   The  program was  fully guided  and compliant                                                               
with state  regulations.  He  said, "We  have much to  learn from                                                               
the rest  of the nation  on how  to set this  up, our goal  is to                                                               
share this  information so we,  in a safe  manner, not make  it a                                                               
Native or  non-Native issue, a  landowner or  nonlandowner issue,                                                               
but a  way to establish  these as concessions  as you would  in a                                                               
state or national park ...."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  expressed  her  understanding,  from  the                                                               
example of  Tyonek, that wounded  warriors were allowed  a guided                                                               
hunt on  Tyonek land  but, generally,  nonguided hunters  did not                                                               
have access.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS  said private landowners  do not want  a "free-for-all                                                               
on  their  property" and  thus  need  the  state to  establish  a                                                               
program  of  guided  hunting  as  occurs in  other  states.    He                                                               
restated the mechanism and benefits of his proposal.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER sought further contact with Mr. Harris.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS asked  Co-Chair Tarr to share  his contact information                                                               
with all.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ referred  to the  reports of  declining                                                               
harvest rates  in Alaska [provided  in the committee  packet] and                                                               
stated her support  for Mr. Harris' new approach  to increase the                                                               
number of game available for Alaskans to hunt.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:35:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  opened public  testimony  on  the appointment  of                                                               
Alfred Thomas Harris to the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:35:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK),  informed the  committee RHAK  represents 2,000  Alaskans                                                               
who support a resident hunting  priority.  Mr. Richards expressed                                                               
RHAK's  support  of  Alfred Thomas  Harris'  appointment  to  the                                                               
landowner seat on BGCSB due  to Mr. Harris' knowledge of wildlife                                                               
management  and  food security  issues.    He opined  the  Tribal                                                               
Conservation Districts of which  Mr. Harris spoke seek agreements                                                               
with ADFG  related to  predator control  programs on  their land,                                                               
such  as occurred  in Tyonek,  which would  benefit not  just the                                                               
TCD, but hunters who are  hunting outside [private] land as moose                                                               
or caribou  populations increase.   Mr.  Richards said  one issue                                                               
RHAK  would stress  is that  when hunters  are allowed  to access                                                               
Tribal land, residents are also  granted access along with guided                                                               
nonresident hunters.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:36:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR,  after  ascertaining  no one  further  wished  to                                                               
testify on the appointments, closed public testimony.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LINCOLN paraphrased from the following statement:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  House Resources  Standing  Committee has  reviewed                                                                    
     the  qualifications  for   the  governor's  appointees,                                                                    
     Jason Bunch and  Alfred Thomas Harris, to  the Big Game                                                                    
     Commercial  Services  Board  and  recommends  that  the                                                                    
     names   be   forwarded   to   a   joint   session   for                                                                    
     consideration.   This  does not  reflect intent  by any                                                                    
     member   present  to   vote   for   or  against   these                                                                    
     individuals  during   any  further  sessions   for  the                                                                    
     purpose of confirmation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:40:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:40 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Jerry Burnett_Resume_Board of Game.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Board of Game
Jason Bunch_Resume_Big Game Commercial Services Board.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Big Game Commercial Services Board
Alfred Thomas Harris_Resume_Big Game Commercial Services Board.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Big Game Commercial Services Board
Jerry Burnett_testimony_Board of Game.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Board of Game
Jason Bunch Letter Big Game Commercial.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Jason Bunch Letter Big Game Commercial
Board of Game Fact Sheet and Roster.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Board of Game
Big Game Commercial Services Board Fact Sheet and Roster.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Big Game Commercial Services Board
Tom Harris_Big Game Commercial Services Board House Resource Committee_Redacted.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Big Game Commercial Services Board
RHAK Letter of Support Jerry Burnett for Board of Game.pdf HRES 3/11/2019 1:20:00 PM
Board of Game